what he did was a serious felony crime and he created a baby, my client is religion, she raised the child because it is h her belief that the child shouldn't suffer and now here is a guy who has had absolutely nothing to do with this child from birth suddenly has an urge to visit only because he is suddenly being made to pay. my beef with the judge is had the judge punished him in the criminal case by ordering restitution instead of sending him off to family court where he was rewarded with the privilege of fatherhood the guy would be paying restitution for his criminal behavior maybe in the form of an amount of money roughly equal to that which he might have been ordered to pay in family court but it would be a criminal punishment and wouldn't come attached to the presumptive privilege of fatherhood. >> shannon: there are two different situations here. the criminal judge. the criminal case. the rape case. he then sent the admitted rapist over to family court saying tamly court, probate court is where they decide with whether or not you can visit the child and what rights you would have.